
Clint Watts, NBC security analyst and author of Messing With the Enemy, had me on his podcast, Selected Wisdom, this past week. We talked about how my experiences as a student and journalist in the Balkans and Eastern Europe helped lead to writing American Nations; about the collapse of our shared national story and the need to revitalize it to hold the U.S. together, and how President Zelensky has successfully recast Ukraine’s national narrative on the fly in the midst of a horrific invasion.
Hope you enjoy the conversation as I did. If you’re interested in the national narrative — subject of a project I’m launching at the Pell Center — check out my most recent book, Union: The Struggle to Forge the Story of United States Nationhood.